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HeTill Offline

Admin, Inc.

Beiträge: 7.699

09.07.2003 17:29
#181 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Der wird erstmal ruhig sein, hat keine Schreibrechte mehr. Kriegt er irgendwann mal wieder.

If I could have my wasted days back / I'd use them to get back on track / Try to warn karmas burning,
Moved ahead but keep on turning / Do I have the strength / Or do I let go / Can't fight it inside / Do what I should have known / Can I have my wasted days back / I'll use them to get back on track / You live it, you lie it / You live it, or die it / My lifestyle determines my deathstyle, / My lifestyle determines my deathstyle / Keep searching, / Keep on searching / ....the search goes on / ....the search goes on / Keep searching / Keep on searching

TheUnforgiven II Offline

Overkill Member

Beiträge: 606

09.07.2003 17:33
#182 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Wenn der dann nochmal wider kommt
Das bezweifel ich nämlich.
So ein Forum scheilt wohl nichts für ihn zu sein.

Metallica is the Law

"I need my anger to be me, I need to set my anger free"

S.O.D Offline


Beiträge: 6.630

09.07.2003 18:37
#183 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

was für ein dümmling

Bye S.O.D©©

Old School Metal forever.†.666.†.

BlackHawk Offline

Phantom Member

Beiträge: 220

27.09.2003 20:40
#184 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

heute vor 17 jahren starb Cliff Burton!

und keiner hat dran gedacht!

Hetfieldfan Offline


Beiträge: 3.875

27.09.2003 20:43
#185 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

In Antwort auf:
und keiner hat dran gedacht

Stimmt nicht, guck doch mal ins Internes-Forum. Da ist extra was zum Download angeboten.

Hänförd av dess hypnotiska komplexitet / I en allomfamnande universalitet
Fantasifullare än sagans poet / Bildspel sprungna ur själens essens
Spränger varje tankes gräns / Ett klot bortom världsalltets kvintessens
Dess yta är klädd av stjärnestoft / Som med tusen ögon stirrar
Rakt in i sinnets gömda loft / I en dimvärld jag ändlöst irrar

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Hammett Offline

5th Horseman

Beiträge: 2.870

27.09.2003 20:44
#186 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Bist du dir da ganz sicher? Ich verweise auf die Mainpage.



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John Petrucci

BlackHawk Offline

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27.09.2003 20:51
#187 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten


S.O.D Offline


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09.02.2004 12:51
#188 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

CLIFF BURTON's Former Bandmate Sets Record Straight About 'Lost' Video

A former bandmate of late METALLICA bassist Cliff Burton has contacted BLABBERMOUTH.NET to set the record straight about a rare video of Burton performing with his pre-METALLICA band TRAUMA that was recently made available online.

The video, which captures a performance that was said to have been recorded the day before Burton met METALLICA drummer Lars Ulrich, is currently being offered by the tape's original "director", Don Wrege, who recorded the footage after he was hired to direct what he says was supposed to be "a long-form music video" for TRAUMA in 1982.

Calling Wrege an "opportunist" and accusing him of "trying to make a fast buck," TRAUMA's former guitarist and founding member Mike Overton (video image of Mike and Cliff) offered BLABBERMOUTH.NET the following exclusive account of Cliff's final days with TRAUMA and the circumstances behind the filming of the video which has been available online since early November 2003:

"First of all, I was able to contact TRAUMA's former lead singer Don Hilliar [to get his thoughts and reaction to the news that the video was being sold online]. I hadn't spoken with him for years, [so] it was great to catch up on how we were both doing. He still sings, and his new project is an IRON MAIDEN cover band. So some good has come out of all of this.

"This person Don Wrege, I barely remember as the director. Don Hilliar and myself both agree that this video should have not been released.

"First of all, it sucks! If I was the director, I surely wouldn't attach my name to it.

"The guitars sounded wimpy, the production quality was terrible, camera angles made us look about two feet tall, and so on.

"I am kind of embarrassed to have people think that this is what TRAUMA was all about.

"This Don Wrege certainly seem to know a lot about us for only being with us a couple of days. The only truth [in Don Wrege's account of what happened during the time that he spent with us] is the fact that Cliff was a little frustrated. Don Hilliar and I both knew this. Cliff had always wanted to be a little heavier in sound and so did I. The other guitarist (white [flying] V, I had the gold one, still have it.) and the drummer wanted to be a lot more commercial. I was always a MAIDEN, PRIEST fan myself. So there was some in-fighting going on among TRAUMA as what direction we needed to head.

"As for this video, don't get me wrong — it was a tremendous experience to go through. We learned a lot. Our supposed 'manager' at the time, Tony Van Lit, was not our manager at all —, we had fired him a few months before.

"We did this video with an understanding that it would be OK for Tony to shop us around at the record companies with it. Then we would talk about him managing us again. We met Lars and James [Hetfield] at the practice session for the video the night before the shoot. After watching the practice session and seeing Cliff play is when they approached him about joining the band. They were cool to talk to, although I did at the time wonder why they talked to Cliff so long.

"We did the video the next day, overdubbed the mistakes that night. Cliff never mentioned he had been asked [to join METALLICA] until a couple of weeks later, when we got back to the [San Francisco] Bay Area. He had talked to Don Hilliar and myself, explaining that he was thinking of leaving. He said he felt that METALLICA's music was more the direction he wanted to go. We had the show for the Troubadour coming up in a couple of months, so we asked him to hang on until then, plus we wanted to see if Tony could get us signed.

"According to Don Wrege, Lars met Cliff at the Troubadour show. Truth is, they had already been on the phone with Cliff and were making preparations to move up our way.

"You see, Cliff didn't have much time to talk after our Troubadour show [as] he was with a female fan in the hotel across the street. We had gotten into a fight with her boyfriend and had to rush [Cliff] out of there before the boyfriend found him. It was kind of funny actually. This girl leaving her boyfriend to be with Cliff that night. Him finding out and us fighting with him to protect Cliff. Well, the rest is history.

"METALLICA moved up our way [to the San Francisco Bay Area], Cliff left us, Tony did not get us signed, and he stole all the rented equipment from the Troubadour show, never to be heard from again. Don Hilliar and myself were contacted by the Sheriff's Dept. and Interpol, looking for Tony. We told them we had fired him as our manager months before, and they did not hold us liable for the equipment.

"Even after Cliff joined METALLICA, Cliff remained friends with Don Hilliar and myself. In fact, Don and myself were always on the guest list for METALLICA's shows. Their first show in the Bay Area was at the Stone in San Francisco. Don and I were both invited. When they went back to New York, Cliff would always call once and a while to let us know how he was doing and to ask how we were doing.

"You see, TRAUMA did not fall off the face of the earth after Cliff left. It actually took a couple of years to get our direction back. We hired a bass player almost immediately after Cliff left. Still did local venues. We made changes. Fired the [other] guitar player, drummer left, then the bass player. Each time Don and I reformed the band. We finally settled in with Ross Alexander on guitar, Chris Gustafson on drums, and Luke Advincula on bass. We hooked up with Shrapnel Records for a two-album deal and recorded and released our first album, 'Scratch and Scream'.

"METALLICA had just released 'Master of Puppets' and were doing the tour with OZZY. Don Hilliar and I were invited to the Cow Palace show and went backstage. Cliff had never forgot about Don and I. We got to hang out with Cliff and Kirk. It was a great night. Kirk reminded me of how he used to come watch me play at the Keystone Berkeley before he joined EXODUS.

"After the OZZY tour, METALLICA moved into the same rehearsal studios we were at in Hayward, Ca. it was great to hang with Cliff and Kirk. They would come watch us practice drink a couple of cold ones and basically shoot the breeze.

"Unbeknownst to Don and myself, this would be the last time we would see Cliff again. After a couple of months in Hayward is when they struck out on their headlining tour in Europe, and of course, you know the rest of the story.

"At the time, our album was getting great reviews all over Europe and the U.S. Kerrang, Creem, and some smaller European mags gave us great reviews. [But] the problem was with our record company Shrapnel.

"[Shrapnel head honcho] Mike Varney did not like the fact that an album he did not produce was doing better than the ones he did at the time. Kind of an EGO thing. So when Roadrunner Records came to us about re-releasing 'Scratch and Scream' on their label, he flipped.

"You see, releasing through Roadrunner would have lowered the cost for our Europeans fans. U.S. imports were expensive at the time. But we were under contract and stuck. We spent the next year or so trying to get out of it and TRAUMA just kind of folded. We had done some small touring in support of the album and we were getting a good fan base. But larger labels were still picky about signing metal acts.

"Even though we had great interest from Sharon Osbourne when she was working for Jet Records, we just couldn't shake Varney. TRAUMA died with our second-album demo. Don went off to sing with another band, I went into more production and studio engineering for other bands. I tried playing with other bands, but being the founder of TRAUMA, it was hard to get motivated again.

"As for Cliff, Don and I were invited to the funeral in Castro Valley. You see, no matter what has been said, Cliff was still a great friend. His parents were friends of ours also. In fact Don dated Cliff's sister for a while. It was a somber time at the funeral. It is hard to lose a friend like Cliff. We did have a good time reminiscing about Cliff at his parents' house after the funeral and I was glad to be there for loving support.

"I think the only opportunist here is this Don Wrege, for trying to make a fast buck.

"Don and I asked him politely to take the video off the Internet. It looks like he won't. You can see on the website he has made some changes to the story. His excuse for making a lot of this up is that he could not find out any info about TRAUMA after Cliff. Well, if you can't find the truth, make it up, I guess.

"Playing with Cliff was a great experience, he is the one that taught me how to headbang with the best of them.

"I can see a lot of Cliff's influence on [METALLICA's] 'Master of Puppets' album. In fact, a couple of bass lines are from songs that Cliff wrote for TRAUMA.

"For any TRAUMA or Cliff-knowledgeable people, they will remember the song 'Crusader'. I still remember watching him jam to Beethoven on his bass at his house. We had a great time when we were playing together. We really hit it off on stage, also.

"I have seen some information that even says we tried to glom on to METALLICA's coattails. That is not at all true. We never asked anything of Cliff after he left us, even when they became popular. You didn't see TRAUMA touring with METALLICA, and that is because we never asked. Maybe we should have, but Don Hilliar and I were not that type of people. We thought we needed to do things on our own — that is the way you earn it."

Bye S.O.D©
Old School Metal forever.†.666.†.

panteraxxl Offline

Inhuman Dunkelthron Miesepeter

Beiträge: 9.749

09.02.2004 15:14
#189 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

soviel englisch..... englisch muss ich immer lesen... da reicht überfliegen immer nich :-(

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Ma.Ze Offline


Beiträge: 2

16.02.2004 14:27
#190 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Meine Meinung zu Cliff Burton,

ich würde sagen das Cliff´s Tod damals ein großes Loch in die Band gerissen hat und den Stil der jungs auf jeden Fall verändert hat! Ich dachte damals das ich nie wieder was von Metallica hören würde.....
Die Puppets Tour in Deuschland wurde gecancelt, ein 3/4 Jahr später nachgeholt......Jason war live schon absolut Fett, er hat damals ein Solo von Flotsam gespielt.

Trotzdem war Cliff ein Original und wird so wie er war nie mehr erreicht, egal von welchem Nachamer!

Doch wenn man als alter Hase der vor 16 Jahren mit vollbenähter Jeansjacke mit Metal up your ass Rückenaufnäher rumgelaufen ist, den Kram hört den sie heute spielen........kein Kommentar!!

Das schlimmste was James machen konnte war Gesangsunterricht zu nehmen...... :-)

Cliff R.I.P.

greetings Ma.Ze

panteraxxl Offline

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16.02.2004 18:15
#191 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

jor... ein lang diskutiertes thema mit der bedeutung seines todes.
ich bin genau der gleichen meinung, dass ich um einiges begeisterter von den heutigen metallica wäre, wenn cliff noch dabei wäre. aber man kann ihn nicht lebendig machen, sondern kann sich nur freuen, dass die jungs überhaupt weiter gemacht haben (und 2 weitere alben danach waren ja noch indiskutabel gut... dann finden die streitereien an). und auch wenn sie heutzutage mancheinem nciht mehr so sehr zusagen, so sind sie ja dennoch nicht scheiße.... ich finde z.b., dass st. anger das schlechteste album von ihnen ist... aber ich höre das immer noch lieber, als ein hammerfall-album. :)

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JackDalton Offline

Blackened Member

Beiträge: 64

25.04.2004 21:48
#192 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Ich kann einfach nur sagen: WOW

Jeder kennt das Bass-Solo in der Mitte von Orion, doch wusstet ihr dass der Interlude bei 1:42-2:12 auch mit Bass und Distortion Pedal gespielt wurde? Ok der ist vielleicht nicht schwer, aber das Beste kommt erst noch.

Wer jetzt noch denkt bei und 6:35-6:54 das wäre ein Gitarrensolo, der hat sich getäuscht! Der Beweis dafür:

In Antwort auf:
Q: On the new album I heard some short bass solo type thing where you're using volume pedals. What's that about?

CLIFF: On this album it's the intro to a song called "Damage," done all on bass. It's about eight or 12 tracks of bass, a lot of harmonies and volume swells and effects and stuff. I would hesitate to call it a bass solo, it's more just an intro, but it is all bass. There's also a little bass solo in "Orion," it's right next to a little guitar solo. No one will probably be able to tell that it's bass, but it is.

Q: That's cool. Is it in the first break?

CLIFF: Nah. It's, uh, probably about two-thirds of the way into the song.

(Gut, zum Damage Inc. Intro denke ich, keine Worte mehr darüber verlieren zu müssen :D)

Mal wieder ein Beweis mehr dafür, wie genial Cliff doch eigentlich war!
Eure Meinung zu dem "kleinen" aber genialen Solo?

Hetfieldfan Offline


Beiträge: 3.875

25.04.2004 22:01
#193 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Hehe, hör dir erstmal Call of Ktulu genauer an. Vom Bass her gesehen ist das auch fast ein einziges großes Solo von Cliff im Hintergrund.

Cursed to be walking in the shadows of death for a lifetime.
No more fears for what the years will bring, rebuild the shattered dream.
And now a brighter future has come, another end remains undone
And an era begins, bringing life free from sins. It's taken, the circle is broken...

CU and may the metal be with you! ©+® by Hetfieldfan
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panteraxxl Offline

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Beiträge: 9.749

25.04.2004 22:05
#194 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

hm also für mich keine neuen fakten :-)
aber freut mich, dass es immer mehr leute gibt, die sie entdecken!

...Schwarz aber ist die Farbe der Geborgenheit. || Schwarz ist die Erde in der das Samenkorn wächst. || Dunkel ist es im Mutterleib der das Ungeborene schützt. || Alles Gute wächst im Dunkel bevor es stark genug ist ins Licht zu treten...

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JackDalton Offline

Blackened Member

Beiträge: 64

26.04.2004 13:21
#195 RE:Cliff Burton Antworten

Also bei Call Of Ktulu bin ich der Meinung dass das eigentlich jeder weiß, dass Cliff da eigentlich nur Lead Bass spielt. Doch bei Orion sind mir diese Solos noch nie aufgefallen, weil es genau welche in einer Tonlage waren die man auf der Gitarre auch noch spielen kann, und vor allem ich dachte das eigentliche Solo wäre der Mittelpart, wo der Bass ohne Distortion und Wah Wah Pedal spielt.

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